“If you need a bible verse to show you that murder is wrong, there is something wrong with you.” I busted out laughing when I heard that comment in a recent podcast, http://thegodjourney.com, 11/6/2009 episode. The participants were talking about our attitude that everything we say about God, morality, etc. needs to be backed up by scripture. They also were making the point that many/most believers believe that the scriptures are the primary way to have a relationship with God, and then ask the question about all the illiterate believers and those with a copy of the bible. They also rightly make the point that you can “prove” almost any point you want by “pulling a scripture here and pulling a scripture there.”
A watershed moment in my walk with God was when I realized that well-studied, well-intentioned believers come up with very different doctrinal views. These are people that exhibit good fruit in their lives, not out to pull the fleece over the eyes of poor, ignorant people. It was a watershed moment because I grew up in a tradition that believed that the scriptures would always lead people to the same belief/understanding of at least the core tenants of doctrine: baptism, salvation, sanctification, eternity, whatever. Now I realize that that is not true.
In a recent meeting with some believers where we were discussing where to draw the line on fellowship based on doctrinal beliefs/teaching, I said it was God’s “fault” that there is so much division amongst believers. If God wanted to, he could have produced a Bible that would lead all “well-studied, well-meaning” believers to the same conclusion on doctrine. At this point, I think God left it as vague as he did to test our love for one another. At least that is one of the reasons. I’m sure there are many other reasons.
Jeremiah 31:34 has been ringing in my ears over the last few years and months especially as this subject of Bible interpretation/application keeps coming up in conversation.
No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the LORD. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”
How can we complain if people come to different conclusions about God and his will in their life? There is, of course, much to be said about teaching and admonishing one another, about false doctrine, etc. But when it comes to disagreements between “well-studied, well-meaning” believers, we must give each other space out of love.
November 8, 2009 at 11:16 am
Great post Robin. I agree with you. We need to build relationship with Jesus primarily through the Holy Spirit and also through the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit has been sent to live in us so that we may know the Lord Jesus and hear his voice. We do need to give people space regarding doctrine and continue to emphasize loving the Lord and loving people as the two great commands.
November 8, 2009 at 12:31 pm
This is an amazing post.
A lot of things came to my mind as I read it and I could say a lot from my understanding about the singular nature of truth, God’s original ‘plan for man’, the ‘dirty little secret of logic’ and the role of human reasoning, as well as the difference between the foolish and the wise, but it would be futile.
Why? Because for whatever you may belieive happened in the Garden, something that was supposed to happen didn’t- and so, we are ‘broken’ and ‘in need of fixing’. And that is why there is so much confusion associated with grasping truth.
We all want our way.
However, one good and truthful thing came with us when we were expelled from the Garden- a conscience.
Indeed, if the definition of a conscience is, “knowing of the difference between good and evil”, which it is, by the way, then the Tree we were commanded not to eat from could be called “The Tree of Conscience”.
In other words when we ate from the Tree, we got a conscience.
And that is why no human needs a bible verse to tell you that murder is wrong. For indeed, if you do, then there is something wrong with you, seriously wrong- with your conscience.
Try this:
List all 32 scriptures were the word ‘conscience’ appears in the NT. Then read them, with their context.
When I did this, a long time ago, I came to the conclusion that we modern, Medieval Christians, because of the theologies that drive our thinking, have come to ignore our conscience.
Pun intended.
And so I say,
Be good!
It’s what you were created to be!
Dennis!
November 8, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Robin, I agree with this. I also was taught that all roads lead to X destination theologically. It was a shock to hear different opinions on politics, marriage, sexual orientation, giving, hell, etc. It is sometimes hard to NOT just categorically dismiss everyone who disagrees with you but I have found much joy in listening and discussing. It definitely sharpens my own bible study to hear the views of others.
I think a key component is the “well-studied” element. Most Christians have no idea why they believe what they do and haven’t looked into their own reasons for their beliefs beyond what has been taught to them. It is good for us to nudge one another into being well-studied and then agree to disagree if necessary.
Thanks for this post.
November 9, 2009 at 7:09 am
Someone sent me an e-mail recently asking me about a certain christian book that is very popular right now. Someone had told them that the book is not biblical and she wanted to know if I thought it was biblical or not. My first answer to her was that really depends on your interpretation of scripture. This particular christian book is full of scripture and ways to follow what the bible says, but what one person considers biblical and what another person considers biblical can be radically different.
Jesus was constantly confronting the pharisees about how they had drawn a wrong conclusion about God’s character from their interpretation of scripture.
Personally, I’ve decided to draw my basic vision of God from the stories in Luke 15. In Luke 15 Jesus’ basic message to the pharisees is everything you thought you knew about God think again. The father in the prodigal son story hugs the son covered in pig from head to toe. This father completely defiled himself to be one with the son. That is exactly what God did through Christ on the cross. God totally defiled himself with all our shame, fear, guilt, rejection…everything that has marred humanity and robbed us of being the image bearers of God we were created to be Jesus took on the cross and made at one ment with all of humanity
November 9, 2009 at 10:20 am
Well said brother!